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Old 02-03-2019, 10:18 PM   #401
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Dave - I noted your sink below the window set up. The main reason I’m thinking of putting mine in the corner is that I want it to be a bit higher that, closer to the height of the one in our home. It seems to me the lower counter height would be awkward. I’d be interested in hearing about your experience with it.
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Old 02-04-2019, 09:08 AM   #402
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Hi There,

I'll agree with David on bath sink height. Relocating it aside and raising it above the window sash height seems a self inflicted design constraint. With the '67/'68 bath, the sink vanity height is below the window. I'm 6' and have never thought it uncomfortably low.

Through the late sixties, Airstream marketing unwittingly promoted toward the convenience of the “All in One” service area access through the rear hatch. By 1968, The 120V breaker panel, Univolt, low point drains, battery, gate valve shared one space, and the shore line commingles with the slinky in the bumper hatch (yuk). Moving a hundred pounds to the rearmost area of the trailer was less than brilliance.

The battery and Univolt was better balanced near the wheelhouse in 1967. The shoreline was not stored with the slinky in the bumper, it was stored in the rear hatch. One of the barely detectable differences between the '67 and '68 bath plastic, is the '68 allows space for the battery by diminishing the bath floor area. The '67/'68 back wall conceals all the mechanicals from the bath area.

This leads to the question… How to reconfigure the 1966 bath when the commode surround is removed, and retain some separate service hatch area? The 1966 waste tank doesn't appear to be easy to drain, and has marginal capacity, so I wouldn't try to work it into a redesign. David's approach to replace & expand capacity is the modern-day choice.

Again in agreement with David about the composting toilets… Composting toilets (a misnomer) have good reason to exist, but doing extensive research reveals compromises that are unwelcome to some camping styles. Transporting human waste through the living space of the trailer is unappealing to me. Finding someplace to ecologically dispose a bucket of urine and bagful of fermented peatmoss/sawdust/?? I'll man-up and embrace the slinky. The RV waste systems in most all USA campgrounds, interstate rest areas, private residence, can accommodate the slinky or SS. I don't see the composting toilet as a “better mousetrap”.

Big project, eh?
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Old 02-04-2019, 07:37 PM   #403
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I guess that I am in the minority but I really like the 66 bathroom layout. Fortunately Brenda is ok with the cassette/porta potty toilet. After removal of the toilet, the entire area in the back hatch is accessible. This is where we have 2 BB lithium batteries, our converter, 12v panel, inverter and solar controller. We actually have room for two more BB batteries, but I don’t think that is happening.

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Old 02-04-2019, 07:56 PM   #404
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Aluminuminum knows this mid sixties like nobody's business. My old 66 had the Corning curved glass windows, but had the 65 style bath layout. The bath vanity countertop is certainly low to fit under the window. A guy gets used to bending over a bit more to splash water on the face while shaving.
Not a big deal.

The 66 Airstream manual talked about digging a "gopher hole" behind the trailer and dumping the black tank into it, then covering the whole mess up. I think this is called "digging a latrine" in the Army. Nonetheless, we just don't do that anymore. This design made attaching a sewer hose difficult under the rear bumper.

Actually if you want a composting toilet, just buy a plastic 5 gallon pail and put a toilet seat on it. Line it with a garbage bag and put kitty liter in it. Much cheaper and not a whole lot of difference that I can tell. A kitty litter box for humans. Scratch, scratch, scratch. I'll take a flush toilet any day of the week.

My old 66 ended up with the battery in the back and that's it, see photo. My 75 Overlander was built the same way with the "utilities" in the back under the vanity sink. I moved all that out of there too, including the battery. But the sink is still under the rear window and still a rather low counter height. See photo

You might also note the "fascia" boards I installed on the side of the tub and below the vanity. Maybe your modified Trade Wind bath tub could have a similar configuration.

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Old 02-05-2019, 06:50 PM   #405
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Big project, eh?

An understatement best appreciated by your fellow inmates in the aluminum asylum.


Seriously, though, I really appreciate all the sincere and helpful comments. I especially enjoy Touring Dan's if-it-ain't-broke-don't-fix-it practical slant on this stuff.
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If it ain't broke don't fix it, cause it will eventually break and you will have that chance to fix it!

Echo the comments about the compost toilet. Had considered it due to constraints with rerouting a sewage line when moving our bathroom. Just couldn't quite embrace the idea of having a couple gallons of stagnant urine sitting around. Have you ever had to give a urine specimen to your doctor? I carry it like it is full of hazardous waste, couldn't imagine 100x that amount and walking through the campground.
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Old 02-18-2019, 04:59 AM   #407
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I opted to completely seal off my rear hatch. Given their tendency to leak and fall off en route I sealed it up with a thin bead of Trempro outside (allowing later access if I change my mind) and installed insulation and an interior panel over the access panel. I wanted the interior space more than an outdoor accessible storage area. When welding my frame i expanded the size of the rear bumper storage area for the slinky an other items.

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I don’t have any personal experience with composting toilets but several full timers sure seem to like them. Given I had them already, I’m going to initially use a standard toilet / black tank but may migrate to a composting toilet after I learn and hear more about them. The above floor black tank is a good suggestion if you end up not wanting to use a composting toilet. I like the fact that it would remain warm in the winter. No one wants a sh!t-cicle in their trailer in the winter.

I plan to place my bathroom sink in the curb side rear corner. The layout will look something like this:

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Old 02-18-2019, 10:02 AM   #408
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Brian - That is exactly what I plan to do regarding the bathroom sink, but flipped around for the street side corner.
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And here, again, is the sink I would love to put in, if I can ever get the folks at the Gage Hotel in Marathon TX to find out where they got them when the place was rehabbed back in the late 70s.
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I sure like your rear bumper storage area. Let the rain fall, and then fall out of the way. My 75 will be similar.

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Old 02-19-2019, 06:45 AM   #411
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Dale and Terry get a '66 Tradewind

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Nice bumper storage design and tow hitch capability.

Lots of different ways to skin the cat. I love my rear hatch for access to the toilet (Curve porta potty), batteries, converter, inverter, 12v panel, solar controller and other stuff. I do worry about loosing my hatch cover.

My new bumper storage area is not open but the water drains out just fine.

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Dan - your nice and tidy electronics in the rear compartment are a work of art. I can see why you like it. Regarding the receiver on my rear bumper, it's not welded to tow but rather for a bike rack or platform for firewood, etc. Obviously I'll need to watch the weight of whatever is attached so I don't promote trailer sway. Keep fighting the good fight fellas. Our trailers are inching along towards user ready.
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Slats , I was in Marathon all week end , only live 40 miles from the Gage . If I had known would have asked . I do know the contractor that dia the remodel has died a while back . But I do know one of the architects that worked on it . I’ll see if I can get any info this week .
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One of you vintage Airstream renovators needs to engineer a hinge assembly for our exterior compartment doors. My 75 Overlander has "removable doors" that are just waiting for me to forget to lock them before towing. The wife's 86 Limited has hinged doors that won't fly off. They swing downwards so they are out of the way. My son lost his fridge maintenance door on the highway but happened to find it.

I'm going to work on those compartment doors. I don't like those goofy Airstream "hinge hooks".

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That would be great if you could find out how to get one of those sinks. I’d love to have a Gage reminder like that in the Tradewind. I’ve stayed there on the way to Big Bend more times than I can remember.
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mild progress

I got the room dividers (I hesitate to call something so thin walls) coated with stain blocker and set in place just for looking at today. I also stripped the dark varnish from the door frames and uncovered some pretty nice wood grain, walnut, I think. I kind of like the white dividers with the woodwork accents.
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The White looks great . But I could not get any info on the sinks . Keep up the good work . Blue
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The white walls with wood trim accents look very nice.
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Your dividers do look nice in white. Makes the trailer look bigger and brightens the light. I think light colors are good for "accents" as you mentioned.

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Looks great! I like it too. Are your cabinets going to be wood colored or painted?

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