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Old 07-01-2015, 06:46 PM   #15
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I always like giving free advice! But keep in mind there are many others who have more knowledge, experience, and ability than I have. I'm just a guy who has done some of the things you are about to do.

Disassembling is about 5 to 10 times faster than re-assembly. I read that a lot and find it true in my case.

I don't have a project thread to link for you. But I can follow along and post pictures of what I did and the problems I had.

You need to develop a plan for your trailer. Shell off is about as major as it gets. That means you can rebuild to suit your tastes. Airstream designers are masters of small space efficiency. The sink over the tub is a good example. The toilet under the window seat is another. You have to make a layout of what you want and how it will all integrate with the rest of it. Here is my crude sketch of my bathroom. But it helped me get organized. I wanted new black and gray water tanks closer to the axles and between the frame rails. I wanted a conventional RV tank dumping manifold below the frame rails. And I decided I wanted a shower stall. I wish I had not installed that space hog in my little bathroom.

I installed a new Atwood 6 gal water heater, but under the street side bed where I could utilize some unused storage space.

With your trailer layout, you can then place the plumbing. Every drain, vent, and pressure line needs thought out. I replaced all the plumbing in my trailer from fresh water pump to dump valves.

Here is a partial photo of my finished bath. It is functional, but not elaborate.

You need a solid "blueprint" of what your trailer will be like when done.

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Old 07-01-2015, 11:26 PM   #16
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Keep it as original as possible...

I strongly recommend keeping the floor plan as original as possible, especially if you have all of the original bits and pieces to work from. There are a lot of gotcha's waiting for you if you don't and the task will become significantly larger. I made changes to incorporate twin 35 gal tanks. The one in front of the axle is lengthwise and the other is crosswise.I was able to use the original drain plumbing inside with minimal modification. The outlet from the tanks is all new. It worked out well but was a lot of work to think it through. I strengthened the back portion behind the axles by welding 5/32" plate with a bend in it that is about 4" lower than the frame. This gave me the enclosed area I wanted to secure the tanks but I also needed to alter the cross rails above to be able to get these tanks up there into the space correctly.
My floor plan is identical and this is pretty critical since the vents for the drains, stove hood, and refrigerator are where they need to be. Changing these items is a pretty big deal. I do have to post some pictures but it's a big mess at the moment as I'm finishing up a lot of the systems simultaneously.
And I'm still finding minor things that I didn't account for earlier.
Like the water pump wiring... where I want 2 switches and an indicator for when it is on in the main panel. And the dual switch panel from Atwood since my replacement water heater is both gas and electric and this has a panel to use it in either or both modes. I had to add these wires at the last minute and pull them through closets and overheads. Then there is the gas... I was planning to route it inside the belly pan but that won't fly since it would be an explosion hazard. It needs to be outside the belly pan, tight and well secured. Cosmetically it is quite different, but physically it is quite similar.

I commonly see trailers that have been gutted and are for sale. Those offering think that they have added value by doing so but similar to shining up an old coin, they have actually thrown away much of the value. Complete is worth more regardless of how bad the physical shape is. I have yet to see a gutted trailer that has been restored that even comes close to the functionality of the original trailer it was created from. They can look damn good, but how well do they function as a travel trailer?

Wally had quite a few years to perfect his trailers and as far as I'm concerned the 64-68 are some of the best.

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Old 07-09-2015, 08:15 PM   #17
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A few pic's

Here are a few pics of interest...
Various angles of the nearly finished trailer, inside and out. Plus a couple of my son's BMW project car which he expects to have back together and drive-able by next week.

Chuck

Pic 1, General shot of trailer.
Pic 2, The mod to the frame to enclose the twin 35 gal tanks.
Pic 3, The underside looking back at the new axles and tanks, etc.
Pic 4, the driveway projects in all their glory: AS, M3 Donor, 328 Wagon receptor.
Pic 5 & 6, Inside looking forward and backwards.
Pic 7, Galley.
Pic 8, Solar and roof.
Pic 9, The wagon in detail.
Pic 10, The M engine in the garage being gone over extensively.

My son plans to have this car reassembled and operational in a couple of weeks, it will be a lot of late nites to accomplish that.

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Old 07-10-2015, 08:03 PM   #18
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Wow. Multi-tasking must be an inherited trait. That 325 wagon ought to be a kick to drive when its done.

As for the AS, enlighten me on the reasons for the two tanks. I just got the subfloor off my frame and have only one tank that everything apparently drains into. This learning as you go is interesting.
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Old 07-10-2015, 08:18 PM   #19
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Hi slats, I have a 66 Trade Wind also. I'll bet your frame is in good shape. I did pull the belly pan and replaced the rotted floor in the bathroom. I found my frame in good shape, no repairs needed. I've cleaned the frame, applied POR, insulated the subfloor, new belly pan, new axles, new plumbing, new bathroom, new electrical converter and fuse panel, new furnace, new water heater, new fridge, new stove, and polished the exterior. We'll take it for the maiden voyage this August. We'll tow it with a Grand Cherokee V8.

I've enjoyed working on the thing, and have a lot more to do. Someday I may have a project trailer where I do the "full monty" as you are doing. For now, I'll tag along and watch your progress.

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PS Nice looking garage you are working in!
David, the trailer in your attached pic looks incredible. No dings anywhere !? Does it go outside ? j/k
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Old 07-11-2015, 12:09 AM   #20
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Wow. Multi-tasking must be an inherited trait. That 325 wagon ought to be a kick to drive when its done.

As for the AS, enlighten me on the reasons for the two tanks. I just got the subfloor off my frame and have only one tank that everything apparently drains into. This learning as you go is interesting.
One tank for black, the other for grey. Grey is the sink and shower drains, while black is the toilet (just in case you are unaware).The original single tank was about 12 gal... with grey accumulating in the tub separately if you couldn't just let it run out on the ground. These trailers come from the "gopher hole" era where grey water was allowed to leak and a gopher hole was dug and the black was left behind in that. (Non campground camping). Gopher holes haven't been allowed for quite a while though grey water draining was pretty much allowed when I got into WBCCI 20 years ago. Pretty much stopped about 10 years ago.
A couple of 20 gal tanks would work well for weekend boondocking. Mine is meant to go for about a week without needing a trip to a dump station. (With careful water usage).

He's going to modify the 325 emblem by painting each number with the M colors for a subtle hint of its prowess. I should have taken a picture of the wagon's dash with the M cluster in it. There are a lot of electronics that need to be swapped as part of the transplant. He's already done the rear suspension swap and will transfer the front as part of putting the engine back in.(probably tomorrow) There are still a few interesting tweaks to do to make it all nice and happy but he has it under control. He's using the Go-Pro I bought him for Christmas to catch all of the interesting action and will put it up on the web when he is finished. I suspect he will show a run on the auto-cross course near the end of it. He took 1st place in his division last year. Won't have the vehicle done early enough to truly compete this year. His prior car was "totaled" at the end of winter. Someone in front of him jacked the brakes to not hit a rabbit...It had front end damage that was severe enough for the insurance company to declare it a total loss... but he bought it back and because it remained registered and insured by him through the whole process it was not issued a salvage title so he was able to sell it to someone willing to repair it for a price that was good for both of them. The proceeds from the insurance and the sale have totally financed this conversion and then some.
I just came in from helping him... I had to hold the engine still while he went through the torquing procedure for replacing the connecting rod bearings.
He also went through the VANOS with a fine tooth comb. The engine has 100k on it since it was overhauled at 30K by a recall. He should be able to easily get another 100k out of the rebuild with minimal problems. His patience and attention to detail amazes me...the apple did not get far from the tree.

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Old 07-11-2015, 12:33 PM   #21
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I sort of figured from reading about black tanks and grey tanks on this forum that one was for mildly nasty and the other for real nasty, so was a little surprised when I pulled up the floor and saw only one tank, and a white one, at that, which I promptly busted through with my pry bar. Thanks for the explanation.

I've run a few autocrosses, but I am definitely not up to the level of your son. The last one did was in my 1M, which was, frankly, a little scary. That car has so much power and torque that a relative novice like me has no business driving it at more than half throttle. But it is fun to pull alongside some 20 somethings at a stoplight and see them thinking, "What the devil is that old man doing driving that car?"
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Old 07-11-2015, 10:37 PM   #22
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Autocross

I did a couple and I didn't think they were scary at all... but we have a large BMW club here in the Boston area and they run a very good program. The autocross event is held on the tarmac of the former Ft Devens air field.
Right behind the State Police barracks. Lots of room to goof up and not hit anything but a few cones. I really got to push and understand how my car performs under extreme pressure. That's always good to know when something goes sideways on the road and you have to act hard and fast to miss something. I commute 46 miles to work, mostly on the highway and things get hairy every once in a while... I have eyes in the back of my head when brake lights start coming on without a good reason. I had my son help me to modify the brake light programming to use the strobing option... it strobes the brake lights when you brake hard and the harder you brake the faster it strobes.
This gets the attention of the person behind you and gives them a little more to time to react safely. One time I dove into the brake down lane and the guy slid through the spot I was in and just missed the car I was behind. He could have pulled in behind me instead and not have had to slide to a stop but did not have the presence of mind or reactions to do that... just stand on the brake and pray. Being cool and calm in a crisis situation is something I have always had... scared, yes but still calm and in control. I'm certain it has saved my life on several occasions.

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Old 07-13-2015, 10:57 PM   #23
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Sounds like many of the same things I plan to replace. How about posting some pics or pasting in a link to some? I may be leaning on you for tips on what appliances you picked and why.

As for the garage, I am fortunate to have a nephew who lives about 30 miles away with that building on his land. It is the perfect setup for doing the full monty.
My wife is an interior designer and she picked out the stove she specifically wanted... it was a bit of a special order. We went to a local RV store and cut a deal for all of our appliances in one shot. The furnace and water heater weighed a small fraction of what they replaced. Filling in the big open void in the shell to look decent took some doing. The stove and fridge were spot on size replacements for the originals. The sink was larger and deeper. I bought a bunch of used Corian from a kitchen re-do and cut it up to use for new counter surfaces. You can see from the pictures her influence on the design elements and finishes. We work well together as long as she's not hovering over me while I'm working and vice-versa.

BTW, here's a pic of the current status of the wagon project...

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I'll be leaning on you for info about appliances. Did you switch the positions of the sink and stove?

That M badge looks good there.
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Old 07-15-2015, 04:51 PM   #25
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Nope, the appliances are exactly where they were from the factory. Different years and models had them in slightly different places. If you move the stove you also need to move the exhaust vent for the stove fan... it's going to create a "patch" on the roof unless you replace a whole panel. The appliances are mostly Atwood and designed for RV use. My wife wanted an upgrade to the standard stove top... mainly a better burner system and different grills.
I'll take a picture of the underside of the sink... I think you'll be amazed at what I've got going on under there.

That badge is "temporary"... he wants to be stealthy. The sound and the exhaust system is going to be a dead giveaway. I think it looks awfully good too so maybe he will change his mind and leave it there.

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Old 07-15-2015, 06:50 PM   #26
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Under the sink...

Here is the underside of my sink. It's an extra large deep sink.
Under it I have plumbing, electrical, small AC unit, and furnace.
I hand built the "box" for the AC to manage the air getting in and out of the part that is normally outside. Took a little bit of ingenuity. I have 3 6" computer fans inside the box to help move air... the fan in the unit was not enough.
I used a thermal switch to control these fans so they turn on and off automatically as needed to help the unit get the heat out. It is a small unit and will not adequately cool the whole trailer in unfavorable conditions, but still does quite well most of the time... and I don't have anything up on the roof to interfere with my solar panels. My plan was to put 600W of panel on the roof to help power this 700W AC unit, but only 400W would fit. Still I can use the AC carefully even while boon-docking to take the edge off the heat of the day.

1) The underside.
2) The AC unit.
3) Constructing the enclosure.
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Under the sink...

Here is the underside of my sink. It's an extra large deep sink.
Under it I have plumbing, electrical, small AC unit, and furnace.
I hand built the "box" for the AC to manage the air getting in and out of the part that is normally outside. Took a little bit of ingenuity. I have 3 6" computer fans inside the box to help move air... the fan in the unit was not enough.
I used a thermal switch to control these fans so they turn on and off automatically as needed to help the unit get the heat out. It is a small unit and will not adequately cool the whole trailer in unfavorable conditions, but still does quite well most of the time... and I don't have anything up on the roof to interfere with my solar panels. My plan was to put 600W of panel on the roof to help power this 700W AC unit, but only 400W would fit. Still I can use the AC carefully even while boon-docking to take the edge off the heat of the day.

1) The underside.
2) The AC unit.

Chuck
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I tried several times and it quit in the middle of the first 2... but one of them somehow got through.
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