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04-12-2018, 08:43 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1968 24' Tradewind
1968 26' Overlander
Detroit
, Michigan
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 467
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Nice job, Dale
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04-13-2018, 03:40 AM
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Rivet Master
1967 17' Caravel
Oak Creek
, Colorado
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,556
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Nice work!
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04-17-2018, 08:24 PM
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#223
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Rivet Master
1966 24' Tradewind
Kansas City
, Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 635
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Buck rivets, let's dance!
Drilled out the four porch light pop rivets and replaced them with six buck rivets today. I added two rivets because the existing configuration left a slight gap between the light frame and the shell and I am selectively anal retentive.
The holes for the rivets were a bit oversized, so I used rivet washers on the inside (except for the two in the newly rivet drilled holes). It is a little tricky keeping the washers in place while hitting the rivets with the gun, so I tape them in place, poke a hole in the tape and then fire away. Works great.
Also patched the antenna hole. And just for the heck of it I set the front wall in place to see if the rivet holes matched up with those on the ribs. I worried they wouldn't, given all the torque of pulling the shell and jostling it back on, but they lined up perfectly.
On to caulking the seams and rivet teats on the inside of the shell, then insulation and wiring.
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04-17-2018, 08:27 PM
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#224
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Rivet Master
1966 24' Tradewind
Kansas City
, Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 635
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the wall
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04-17-2018, 10:03 PM
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#225
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4 Rivet Member
1968 24' Tradewind
1968 26' Overlander
Detroit
, Michigan
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 467
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Good news! It’s a relief when things fit back together as planned.
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04-19-2018, 10:08 AM
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#226
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Rivet Master
1966 24' Tradewind
Kansas City
, Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 635
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Refectix begins
Spent yesterday (a short one) caulking every last possible entry point for water on the front section of the trailer. Even ran beads alongside and at the top and bottom of the ribs, as well as on the rivet teats attaching the ribs to the shell, then blasted the entire front section with water to check for leaks. None appeared, so began installing the Reflectix. Any day that yields tangible results of labor is a good one. I like proceeding from front to back in sections.
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04-19-2018, 08:16 PM
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#227
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Rivet Master
1986 34' Limited
1975 27' Overlander
1969 21' Globetrotter
Conifer
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 8,291
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Well, your scare light is ready for space travel. It isn't going anywhere. And good job testing the front clip for leaks after you have it all sealed up. If it were my lower interior skins, they would not line up well at all. Some guys have all the luck.
It's fun watching it come together again.
David
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04-20-2018, 03:20 PM
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#228
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Rivet Master
1966 24' Tradewind
Kansas City
, Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 635
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Here's a recent pic of the exterior.
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04-20-2018, 07:31 PM
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#229
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Rivet Master
1966 24' Tradewind
Kansas City
, Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 635
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What A/c unit to get
I've been looking at the Coleman Mach 8 and wondering whether I should get the 15,000 or 13,500 BTU version. Some say the 13,500 is preferable because a generator can power it, whereas others say it is not sufficient to properly cool the trailer. What do the folks here with Tradewinds think? What about other makes?
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04-20-2018, 07:55 PM
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Rivet Master
1986 34' Limited
1975 27' Overlander
1969 21' Globetrotter
Conifer
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 8,291
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I think the 13.5 is very adequate. You have new insulation. Our AC units don't run on max power all the time. It is true that Airstreams are very good conductors of heat. The exterior skins get hot. I've measured 130 degrees on them in Colorado at 8000 feet. Makes it tough for an AC to keep up. The trailer's awnings do help quite a bit. And you could paint the roof white like they do the new trailers to help reduce the heat load from the sun.
David
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04-22-2018, 09:32 AM
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#231
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3 Rivet Member
1981 28' Airstream 280
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 144
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Following
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04-22-2018, 02:54 PM
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Rivet Master
1966 24' Tradewind
Kansas City
, Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 635
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..... a dubious leader.
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04-23-2018, 08:18 AM
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4 Rivet Member
1964 24' Tradewind
2006 39' Land Yacht 396 XL
Lawrence
, Kansas
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 292
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Slats
I've been looking at the Coleman Mach 8 and wondering whether I should get the 15,000 or 13,500 BTU version. Some say the 13,500 is preferable because a generator can power it, whereas others say it is not sufficient to properly cool the trailer. What do the folks here with Tradewinds think? What about other makes?
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I put in a low profile Dometic 13.5. 95% time it is fine. For the other 5% I am covering windows. Much of the time it is to cold and hard to get temp just right. It is always to loud. We find that shady spots really help and that we also don't use it as much as I thought we would. On the other hand, when you need to get cool it is great to have. My RV guy talked me out of a 15,000. He said it took to much power and was more than I needed. I have heard that the Coleman is not as loud but I can't verify that. One thing to consider is being to cold. It is often to cold for my wife. These air condition can be hard to regulate and are not as refined as your house unit. I believe that awnings would be a great help in regulating the tempiture but I have not installed mine so I can't say for sure. No easy answers on this one.
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04-25-2018, 07:19 PM
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Rivet Master
1966 24' Tradewind
Kansas City
, Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 635
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starting on interior wall panels
Got the Roxul in and riveted the lower section of the front wall in place.
Although the rivet holes on the ribs and the wall section had lined up perfectly when I set the wall in place prior to installing the Roxul, that was not the case after installing the Roxul, which was a little puffy (I guess I could have sliced the bats into 1" thick slabs instead of 1 1/2" ones, but to hell with that now). Anyway, I found I had to put holder rivets on each side of the front window and then start the bottom rivets with one in the middle of the c channel, spacing those rivets closer together than the originals in order draw the panel in tight, thereby getting the ends of the panels to match up with the ribs.
Because I'm procrastinating on running the wiring (and waiting on a friend to help move that part forward), I'm just going to insulate and re-rivet the lower sections of the interior walls and then tackle the wiring, followed by installation of the upper/ceiling sections. Anyone want to shoot that plan down?
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04-25-2018, 07:35 PM
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#235
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Rivet Master
1986 34' Limited
1975 27' Overlander
1969 21' Globetrotter
Conifer
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 8,291
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Not me...
David
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04-25-2018, 09:42 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1968 24' Tradewind
1968 26' Overlander
Detroit
, Michigan
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 467
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Way to get after it Dale. I’d be hesitant to install walls until I have a pretty good idea where the wires will run. Fishing wire between insulation and the lower wall is going be slow. Your call but I’d work on another item while your electrician friend figures out the wiring plan. For what’s its worth, here is a picture of my lower wall wiring. Yours will likely differ but note all the horizontal lower wall runs.
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04-25-2018, 11:35 PM
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#237
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Rivet Master
1966 24' Tradewind
1995 34' Excella
Lynchburg
, Virginia
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 4,225
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Slats
I've been looking at the Coleman Mach 8 and wondering whether I should get the 15,000 or 13,500 BTU version. Some say the 13,500 is preferable because a generator can power it, whereas others say it is not sufficient to properly cool the trailer. What do the folks here with Tradewinds think? What about other makes?
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Slats
I have heard that the Coleman Mach 8 is quiet. Quiet is good. I would get to the 13.5. On a real hot day, just don’t cool the bathroom if the A/C can’t keep up.
Dan
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04-26-2018, 07:07 PM
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#238
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Rivet Master
1986 34' Limited
1975 27' Overlander
1969 21' Globetrotter
Conifer
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 8,291
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We have a Coleman Mach, but too old for a number. It isn't quiet. It is a 13.5 btu unit. It has been reliable. We are traveling in bloody hot weather now, like low 90s; but the humidity is quite low here in the desert southwest. The unit won't keep up. It cools the trailer maybe 10 degrees. The sun load is too great. The trailer has like 130 degree skin temps by my infrared. When the sun goes down, it will cool the trailer from 85 to 70.
That said, I believe a 13.5 btu unit would work well in your Trade Wind. It has better insulation than most and it is a smaller unit than our 34'. That famous Kansas City humidity might be a challenge.
David
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04-27-2018, 08:06 PM
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#239
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Rivet Master
1966 24' Tradewind
Kansas City
, Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 635
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Getting ahead of myself
[QUOTE=Atomic_13;2093974]For what’s its worth, here is a picture of my lower wall wiring. Yours will likely differ but note all the horizontal lower wall runs.[QUOTE]
Thanks, Brian. Maybe your '68 TW is different from my '66 in that respect. I don't have any horizontal wires in the lower sections, except for the one to the water pump, which I ran behind and out the opening for it in the front wall section before installing it.
I will nevertheless take your advice and just proceed with installing the Reflectix. Unfortunately, today as I was checking for leaks in the next section back from the front, I found two - one on either side of the door. I isolated one and fixed it, but the other proved tricky to find. It will take one person outside the trailer shooting the water and another inside observing where it is coming in. All I could see when I hopped inside after shooting the water was the small puddle at the edge of the floor. I'll have to wait for my nephew to help on Saturday.
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04-28-2018, 07:25 PM
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#240
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Rivet Master
1986 34' Limited
1975 27' Overlander
1969 21' Globetrotter
Conifer
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 8,291
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Nothing like a helpful nephew. The door area is a very common place for a rain water leak. It is also a very common place to find rotted subfloor spots. You'll find it.
David
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