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11-18-2014, 06:17 PM
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Rivet Master
1966 17' Caravel
Newport
, North Carolina
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,291
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No jimmy was taller! Looks like you do enjoy the world or hidden rivets and broken drill bits!
Cliff
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11-18-2014, 06:31 PM
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Vintage Alum. Enthusiast
1959 24' Tradewind
Phoenix
, Arizona
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: I currently do not own a 2nd Airstream
Posts: 4,360
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WoW!! Great to follow along on the restoration journey of this '59 TradeWind. Great work Paul. I'm tuned in with my popcorn.
I guess one of the PO's had a skeleton in his closet.
Brad
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11-18-2014, 07:05 PM
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Rivet Master
1986 34' Limited
1975 27' Overlander
1969 21' Globetrotter
Conifer
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 8,315
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You folks are going to build a great Trade Wind. I'll trade you even up for mine when you're done. That crack looks worse than the skeleton. This trailer certainly needs a new frame, sans skeletons in the closet. Then new axle, disc brakes, big ball coupler... You will have to document your waste water tanks install for us.
David
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11-18-2014, 07:40 PM
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begorragirl
2017 25' Flying Cloud
Denville
, New Jersey
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 1,029
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I love what you are doing, and I like you post in black and white. What was that dead thing?
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11-19-2014, 06:56 AM
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4 Rivet Member
1954 22' Flying Cloud
1954 25' Cruiser
2005 25' International CCD
Paradise
, Texas
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 407
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy R
That's exciting, thanks for the update. That critter looks like it was there a LONG time!
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Ha, yes, the bowels of that trailer, like most every other one I see, was very popular with the rodent crowd. There was close to an entire juniper tree used as a plush pad for those little varmits...
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Originally Posted by RM66caravel
No jimmy was taller! Looks like you do enjoy the world or hidden rivets and broken drill bits!
Cliff
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Yes, those hidden rivets can be really hard to detect sometimes and yes, you do go through a number of drill bits. I believe I used four #30 drills to remove the perimeter rivets with a 3600 rpm pneumatic drill motor. As soon as they start to slow when cutting I toss them.
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Originally Posted by flyfshr
WoW!! Great to follow along on the restoration journey of this '59 TradeWind. Great work Paul. I'm tuned in with my popcorn.
I guess one of the PO's had a skeleton in his closet.
Brad
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Hey Brad thanks!
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Originally Posted by dbj216
You folks are going to build a great Trade Wind. I'll trade you even up for mine when you're done. That crack looks worse than the skeleton. This trailer certainly needs a new frame, sans skeletons in the closet. Then new axle, disc brakes, big ball coupler... You will have to document your waste water tanks install for us.
David
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Thanks David! You are at the ring side seat...
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Originally Posted by Sbb
I love what you are doing, and I like you post in black and white. What was that dead thing?
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Thanks - I like b&w. My camera does a good job, generally, of being able to expose over a fairly wide tonal range in b&w. Sometimes in these types of shots color can be a little distracting.
The critter was formerly a rat - had some really big choppers on him for that size skeleton.
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A&P Vintage Trailer Works, Inc.
AirForums #1565
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Heart of Texas Camping Unit
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11-19-2014, 10:42 AM
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Administrator
1961 16' Bambi
Dallas
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 3,025
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Paul, I have a few questions:
- Where are we going to put the spare tire? Should we remove the old batter box on the front and stash it on the tongue? I know we talked about putting it under the tongue maybe above is a better location because it's easier to access & less complexity on the belly pan which means less chance leaks.
- Can we build a bumper box for the slinky/black water ( link to example)?
Anyone have any other ideas for us to consider as we get the new frame built?
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11-19-2014, 01:38 PM
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Moderator
Vintage Kin Owner
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 11,696
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy R
Paul, I have a few questions:
- Where are we going to put the spare tire? Should we remove the old batter box on the front and stash it on the tongue? I know we talked about putting it under the tongue maybe above is a better location because it's easier to access & less complexity on the belly pan which means less chance leaks.
- Can we build a bumper box for the slinky/black water ( link to example)?
Anyone have any other ideas for us to consider as we get the new frame built?
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Andy,
If it were mine I would seriously consider putting a continental kit or one of the spun aluminum tire covers on the rear since you are building the frame to order. I know Brad has made several attempts at getting an initial production order pulled together for new kits, but it has been some time since he last broached the issue.
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f116....html#poststop
Very interested in following your project.
Kevin
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11-19-2014, 01:53 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1965 26' Overlander
Edmonds
, Washington
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 25
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Andy,
You may have already thought of these.
The 2x4 rectangular steel tube isn't going to give you clearance for water tanks (at least, not the ones from Vintage Trailer Supply). If you can get 2x5, that would have you covered, if you want them.
I'm doing upgrades on our '65's frame, and we've added 3" flat steel braces over the belly skin in the areas the tanks will be installed. The skins should be able to hold them fine, but we figured it wouldn't hurt.
We also added some steel mounting plates with nuts welded on so that we can bolt the stabilizer jacks under the belly skin.
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11-19-2014, 06:12 PM
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Rivet Master
1986 34' Limited
1975 27' Overlander
1969 21' Globetrotter
Conifer
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 8,315
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Maybe the spare tire can be in the tow vehicle? Most folks don't like weight clear on the rear bumper. Although your new frame will be built for stout. My Trade Wind came with a spare tire "J" hook hanging on the front skins. There was a lot of corrosion between the steel and aluminum. I don't plan on putting it back.
David
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11-19-2014, 06:58 PM
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Rivet Master
1959 26' Overlander
Western
, Massachusetts
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,468
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy R
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Anyone have any other ideas for us to consider as we get the new frame built?
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Andy,
We made the same decision to rebuild the entire frame. Colin Hyde did the work, making the following changes:
- replaced coupler with 2 5/16"
- changed angle of a-frame forward
- widened the rails to accept a spare tire below
- added a bumper trunk
- added a rear 2" hitch that we find invaluable for bikes
He talks in detail about the changes in one of the Vap episodes in Dec '12. I'll find the number if you can't. See this thread, starting at post 176.
Love the thread.
John
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11-19-2014, 07:17 PM
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Administrator
1961 16' Bambi
Dallas
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 3,025
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dbj216
Maybe the spare tire can be in the tow vehicle? Most folks don't like weight clear on the rear bumper. Although your new frame will be built for stout. My Trade Wind came with a spare tire "J" hook hanging on the front skins. There was a lot of corrosion between the steel and aluminum. I don't plan on putting it back.
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I'd rather have the spare on the trailer just because it would get packed under a bunch of stuff on the tow vehicle.
I've seen some spares mounted to the tongue where they did not touch the skin. I wonder if those mounts are available anywhere?
Quote:
Originally Posted by 65CV
Andy,
We made the same decision to rebuild the entire frame. Colin Hyde did the work, making the following changes:
- replaced coupler with 2 5/16"
- changed angle of a-frame forward
- widened the rails to accept a spare tire below
- added a bumper trunk
- added a rear 2" hitch that we find invaluable for bikes
He talks in detail about the changes in one of the Vap episodes in Dec '12. I'll find the number if you can't. See this thread, starting at post 176.
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John, thanks for the feedback, good stuff. How do you like the spare underneath? Is it easy to get the spare out? Did it make the belly pan more complex and thus potential for water leaking in if towing in the rain?
I love the idea for a 2" receiver on the back bumper, that's something I definately want.
FYI - I'm hoping we can show this thread to other restoration guys like Colin and that they will consider creating one and interacting with their clients through the forums. It's great for the restoration shops, people can easily see their work, it's a terrific resource for our members, and a nice way to document the process should an owner ever want to sell their trailer. If you know other restoration folks, suggest this to them!
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11-19-2014, 07:51 PM
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Rivet Master
1959 26' Overlander
Western
, Massachusetts
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,468
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Andy,
No issues yet with water leakage on the spare location. The entire bottom of the plywood is covered with automotive undercoating. The tire is easy to remove.
Missed the link on my earlier post -- it's here.
Colin is always buried in work. He is good at communicating with clients, but I seriously doubt he'd have time to update every thread. Doing the VAP for so many years is a MAJOR contribution to the community and I think it might be beyond the call of duty to ask him to do more.
I posted all the pictures he sent and the next trailer in his shop -- also an Overlander -- is documented here. Shelly continues to do a great job updating. I would encourage any client of any good restorer who enjoys these forums to do the same.
John
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11-19-2014, 09:33 PM
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Rivet Master
1966 24' Tradewind
1995 34' Excella
Lynchburg
, Virginia
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 4,226
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Mayeux
We'll also be converting it to a torsion axle with disk brakes along with a 2 5/16" coupler and electric jack. The finished product will be primed then painted with two part epoxy paint..
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Paul
Have you converted any other Airstreams to disk brakes? I want to do this for my Tradewind when I install new axles, so I will be very interested in how this conversion works for you.
Your work so far looks awesome!
Thanks, Dan
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11-20-2014, 06:58 AM
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4 Rivet Member
1954 22' Flying Cloud
1954 25' Cruiser
2005 25' International CCD
Paradise
, Texas
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 407
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy R
Paul, I have a few questions:
- Where are we going to put the spare tire? Should we remove the old batter box on the front and stash it on the tongue? I know we talked about putting it under the tongue maybe above is a better location because it's easier to access & less complexity on the belly pan which means less chance leaks.
- Can we build a bumper box for the slinky/black water ( link to example)?
Anyone have any other ideas for us to consider as we get the new frame built?
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Hi Andy, yes, part of the new design parameters for the frame is to extend the main rails 8" to accept a bumper storage compartment like current production models. The battery can go in a battery box that is located in the frame behind the lp gas tanks. I don't generally go back with the front skin mounted battery box that came from the factory. Also, the frame that we go back with has a longer and different angled tongue to fit the new coupler which with a few other modifications allow for the use of the Airstream factory spare tire carrier. In short the new frame is patterned from a current production model frame.
Leaks wise there is really not a difference. Before the plywood is laid, a sheet of aluminum set in Sikaflex is placed over the opening where the tire will sit. The rest of the belly is riveted and sealed to the frame rails.
Quote:
Originally Posted by FullStop
Andy,
You may have already thought of these.
The 2x4 rectangular steel tube isn't going to give you clearance for water tanks (at least, not the ones from Vintage Trailer Supply). If you can get 2x5, that would have you covered, if you want them.
I'm doing upgrades on our '65's frame, and we've added 3" flat steel braces over the belly skin in the areas the tanks will be installed. The skins should be able to hold them fine, but we figured it wouldn't hurt.
We also added some steel mounting plates with nuts welded on so that we can bolt the stabilizer jacks under the belly skin.
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We don't typically use the tanks from VTS - our tanks are not designed to be fully contained within the belly. I use a tank support pan that is 4" deep to contain the tank which allows for the dump valve assembly to exit the side of the tank. The tank pan is bolted to the frame rails and crossmembers.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TouringDan
Paul
Have you converted any other Airstreams to disk brakes? I want to do this for my Tradewind when I install new axles, so I will be very interested in how this conversion works for you.
Your work so far looks awesome!
Thanks, Dan
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Hi Dan, yes, we have done quite a few disk brake installations. It's a very straightforward process. On a situation like Andy's I order the axle with disk brakes as opposed to drum so as not to pay twice for brakes. If you don't have that option then you can order your axle as a "beam" only and then buy your disk brake kit.
I'm a fan of disk brakes, especially on single axle trailers. I first had disk brakes on our 67 Caravel back in 2005. Roger Williams Airstream talked me into them and the change was dramatic. In 2006 when we bought our International 25' from Williams they installed disk brakes before it was delivered. That trailer now has 130,000 miles and is on it's second set of brake pads. I put disk brakes on our 54 Cruiser when it was rebuilt in 2007. It has performed flawlessly as well.
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A&P Vintage Trailer Works, Inc.
AirForums #1565
WBCCI #7162
Heart of Texas Camping Unit
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11-20-2014, 05:46 PM
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Rivet Master
1986 34' Limited
1975 27' Overlander
1969 21' Globetrotter
Conifer
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 8,315
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I think you're right on with a 4" deep tank cover "pan" and the drain manifold below the frame rails. It just makes the whole waste water issue easier with more capacity and easier plumbing.
I wonder whos axles you prefer and at what starting angle? Maybe you plan to raise the ground clearance some?
David
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11-20-2014, 05:55 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1954 22' Flying Cloud
1954 25' Cruiser
2005 25' International CCD
Paradise
, Texas
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 407
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Hi David I'm lucky in that we have a local axle manufacturer - Rockwell American. I use them 90% of the time and Dexter for the balance. With Rockwell I use a 35 degree down in the applications.
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A&P Vintage Trailer Works, Inc.
AirForums #1565
WBCCI #7162
Heart of Texas Camping Unit
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11-20-2014, 05:59 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1954 22' Flying Cloud
1954 25' Cruiser
2005 25' International CCD
Paradise
, Texas
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 407
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I forgot to add that in addition to the 35 down I use 16" wheels which also add some ride height and are better suited to a single axle trailer of this size.
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A&P Vintage Trailer Works, Inc.
AirForums #1565
WBCCI #7162
Heart of Texas Camping Unit
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11-20-2014, 06:31 PM
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Rivet Master
1986 34' Limited
1975 27' Overlander
1969 21' Globetrotter
Conifer
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 8,315
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Rockwell American! Big outfit. I forgot your trailer is a 59 with leaf springs, or do you convert to torsion arms? With a 35 degree starting angle, and 16" wheels, I'll bet the ride height is 4 inches or more higher.
This trailer is going to last a hundred years!
David
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11-20-2014, 06:40 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1954 22' Flying Cloud
1954 25' Cruiser
2005 25' International CCD
Paradise
, Texas
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 407
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Yep we change them over to a torsion axle. It does give a very nice ride height, plenty of ground clearance plus a superior ride to the old leaf springs.
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A&P Vintage Trailer Works, Inc.
AirForums #1565
WBCCI #7162
Heart of Texas Camping Unit
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06-17-2015, 08:39 PM
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Administrator
1961 16' Bambi
Dallas
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 3,025
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An epic winter and rainy spring has the Tradewind project behind schedule. I did hear that Paul made some progress recently and am looking forward to seeing him post some photos here.
We had been hoping to do some camping this summer but that's not looking likely. Hopefully we can go see some pretty fall colors.
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