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Old 11-19-2008, 03:28 PM   #71
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One way to spread the cost of health care so that it hits every auto manufacturer proportionately—that is Toyota, Honda, and the rest of those manufacturers—is a single payer system. Then the Big 2.5 are paying no more than anyone else through a taxing system.

I know the health insurance industry has been telling us for years Canada has a horrible system, but if you had to deal with the health insurers with their massive bureaucracy and their lies about coverage, why should you believe them about anything? In our many trips to Canada I've never found anyone who would trade their system for ours. Sure it has some problems, what human endeavor doesn't? But compare theirs, or other industrialized countries' systems, to ours. I know the government can really screw things up—especially in the past 8 years—but it doesn't have to be so. For most of its history Medicare was an extremely efficient and cheap to administer program. That has been screwed up too, but can be changed. Certainly the health insurers have screwed up coverage plus 45,000,000 people don't have any insurance and tens of millions more have bad insurance.

The insurance mess allows foreign companies to produce vehicles cheaper by locating in the South where wages are low, unions weak, and other requirements are scanty. The South is the poorest part of the country, so why not take more advantage of the people there? They're happy to have jobs that pay a little better than other jobs there. The eventual result is that wages slip elsewhere in other parts of the country and Americans get less money and less health insurance. If this keeps up, Japan and western Europe will be the richest countries on the planet, not us. Of course, they have the same pressures from the BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India, China) countries whose low wages and lack of decent health coverage make for cheap production. There are solutions to that, but they aren't easy—perhaps all the industrialized countries require certain import controls tied to treating labor well.

Another part of the problem for the auto companies is the lack of credit. People who want to buy cars can't because they can't get credit. Some of them don't deserve credit, but many do. The idea of the $700 B was to provide cash to allow lending to start again, but the banks who have received the money aren't lending, they are either keeping it on the books out of fear or buying other banks. Paulson is encouraging them to buy other banks, but not to lend. Paulson's efforts have been counter to what he told Congress and slow and generally pathetic.

There are many parts to the crisis in the Big 2.5 (by .5 I mean Chrysler) and all parts need to be solved to allow them to thrive. Changing hidebound companies is not easy and even if the leaders of these companies were trying, middle management can screw it up by inaction. Putting Joe Nardelli in at Chrysler amazed me—he was driving Home Depot into the ground and gave Lowe's a big boost by doing such a good job of driving customers away from Home Depot.

There are no solutions to this that don't have ugly parts to them, but we have to swallow hard and get going.

Gene
My father-in-law is from Canada and he and his family have the opposite opinion of the people you have talked to when visiting Canada with regards to the health care system there. Plus there is all the research that also says the opposite. Besides America is a different animal than Canada, what might work there may very well be the worst thing to do here. A one payer system would drag our health care system down to third world standards, you'd be standing in line behind 403 runny noses and 347 scratched fingers, heck it's free( for those who don't pay taxes anyway and the rest of us have already paid for it) why not go for any and every little thing. I wonder how good the doctors will be when they are paid government wages, how long will it take to pay back hundreds of thousands in school loans when making government wages? Try spending some time in a VA hospital and then tell me you want government running our health care system. They have done such a bangup job in everything else they have tried to control over the years, why not let them control one more aspect of our lives and take a little more freedom away. After all they are so much smarter than us, they know what's best for us.

Government should run as little as possible and focus on running those things well.

Just my humble opinion.
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